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[GMO]

Hi All!

We have SEDEX in now and because "audit" is in the title, of course I'm involved.

But as the auditor is asking operators about ethics like "is overtime paid at enhanced rates and voluntary" I'm wondering why they never ask Technical and Quality Managers questions like this...   😒

In all honesty, I'm looking forward to the "right to switch off" eventually being made UK law.  But I suspect I'll be expected to sign away my rights as I do with the working time directive...

[ChristinaK]

We just went through this as well. Our auditors told us that anyone with a Supervisor, Manager, etc. title or who worked at a desk wasn't considered a "worker" by their definition. I understand what they're aiming at, but still...office workers and the like can be exploited too.

 

I'm currently trying to figure out how to tell the auditor that management has no intention of removing the (USA-legal, but not ETI-legal) mandatory overtime policy even though it's never been enforced (so why even have it still?). Our original attempt at a rebuttal was already refused so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[G M]

We just went through this as well. Our auditors told us that anyone with a Supervisor, Manager, etc. title or who worked at a desk wasn't considered a "worker" by their definition. I understand what they're aiming at, but still...office workers and the like can be exploited too.

 

I'm currently trying to figure out how to tell the auditor that management has no intention of removing the (USA-legal, but not ETI-legal) mandatory overtime policy even though it's never been enforced (so why even have it still?). Our original attempt at a rebuttal was already refused so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

They've definitely interviewed office folks for us, but do avoid supervisors and managers.  It does seem strange though, especially the supervisors, they're still hourly and have at least a couple of layers of management over them to be ill treated by.

 

I wouldn't have expected the overtime policy to be a sticking point, you just need to emphasize the "only under exceptional circumstances" part -- the fact that you've never implemented it should make that clearly true.  We have a few technical specialists work ridiculous hours when things go wrong, and the numbers have popped up during auditor reviews of hours worked, but they can see it's just a one-off week or two.

[Tony-C]

Hi All!

We have SEDEX in now and because "audit" is in the title, of course I'm involved.

But as the auditor is asking operators about ethics like "is overtime paid at enhanced rates and voluntary" I'm wondering why they never ask Technical and Quality Managers questions like this...   😒

In all honesty, I'm looking forward to the "right to switch off" eventually being made UK law.  But I suspect I'll be expected to sign away my rights as I do with the working time directive...

 

My last contract abroad included what was supposed to be a 'short management meeting' on a Saturday morning.

 

This turned into an extra 9 - 2 'half-day' on top of a full week of 9am - 6pm. 

 

OT certainly wasn't built-in but at least the salary was tax free.

 

Eventually had enough and voted with my feet.