Hi guys, I've looked online and within the forum no luck. I'm wondering if anyone here knows the acceptable limits for APC/ACC on food contact surfaces, in Canada. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Posted 24 June 2021 - 03:10 PM
Hi guys, I've looked online and within the forum no luck. I'm wondering if anyone here knows the acceptable limits for APC/ACC on food contact surfaces, in Canada. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Posted 24 June 2021 - 03:19 PM
Hi guys, I've looked online and within the forum no luck. I'm wondering if anyone here knows the acceptable limits for APC/ACC on food contact surfaces, in Canada. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Sticking my neck out, I doubt they officially exist. IIRC, I have seen some for British Columbia (BC).
Internationally can see -
http://www.ifsqn.com...ces/#entry60958
PS : seems that APC = ACC ?
PPS : BC article (2011) attached
BC micro limits.pdf 82.63KB 69 downloads
(see Pg 10, these are quite/very demanding APC values)
(seems not mentioned but I anticipate these surface limits relate to a cleaned/sanitized surface)
Kind Regards,
Charles.C
Posted 24 June 2021 - 03:43 PM
if you're asking if CFIA has limits, no they do not
Are you federally or provincially inspected, and which province/territory please
Please stop referring to me as Sir/sirs
Posted 24 June 2021 - 04:09 PM
You must create your own and determine these values.
Is this for a RTE product?
Providing solutions for food manufacturing companies in achieving regulatory compliance, GFSI standard implementation, environmental monitoring solutions, and HACCP development.
foodsafety@email.com
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Posted 24 June 2021 - 04:46 PM
IMHO, APCs for surfaces are useless as they don't actually demonstrate what kind of pathogens are there (there could be aerobic bacteria and facultative ones growing with/without oxygen presence). Why don't you just swab for Listeria? Especially, under the light of Listeria regulation, and CFIA is quite attentive to this matter since 2008 outbreak.
Posted 24 June 2021 - 05:16 PM
if you're asking if CFIA has limits, no they do not
Are you federally or provincially inspected, and which province/territory please
Yeah, I figured I would have found them by now. I'm located in Ontario.
Posted 24 June 2021 - 05:17 PM
You must create your own and determine these values.
Is this for a RTE product?
Do you know how you go about doing this?
Yes it is considered RTE.
Posted 24 June 2021 - 05:18 PM
IMHO, APCs for surfaces are useless as they don't actually demonstrate what kind of pathogens are there (there could be aerobic bacteria and facultative ones growing with/without oxygen presence). Why don't you just swab for Listeria? Especially, under the light of Listeria regulation, and CFIA is quite attentive to this matter since 2008 outbreak.
This is what we were doing previously. However, this is now a requirement from a customer to swab for ACC/APC on food contact surfaces as opposed to listeria or salmonella (they are swabbed for within the other zones in our program).
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Posted 24 June 2021 - 05:23 PM
Sticking my neck out, I doubt they officially exist. IIRC, I have seen some for British Columbia (BC).
Internationally can see -
http://www.ifsqn.com...ces/#entry60958
PS : seems that APC = ACC ?
PPS : BC article (2011) attached
(see Pg 10, these are quite/very demanding APC values)
(seems not mentioned but I anticipate these surface limits relate to a cleaned/sanitized surface)
Yes they can be used interchangeably.
Thanks for linking your prior discussion, I have looked at it previously and was just reaching out to see if there was any Canada/Ontario specific documentation, just to make sure I wasnt missing it anywhere online. However, the article will be good to reference if I cannot find anything specific to Ontario.
Posted 24 June 2021 - 05:44 PM
Do you know how you go about doing this?
Yes it is considered RTE.
Providing solutions for food manufacturing companies in achieving regulatory compliance, GFSI standard implementation, environmental monitoring solutions, and HACCP development.
foodsafety@email.com
Posted 24 June 2021 - 05:56 PM
sqf-123 you don't ship inter provincially at all? or export?
Please stop referring to me as Sir/sirs
Posted 24 June 2021 - 05:58 PM
sqf-123 you don't ship inter provincially at all? or export?
All within the province.
Posted 24 June 2021 - 06:35 PM
ah, so you're inspected by OMFRA.
There is lots of really good guidance provided by them, and you're much more likely to get a helping hand than with CFIA
Please stop referring to me as Sir/sirs
Posted 24 June 2021 - 07:30 PM
Not sure about Canada, but in the US we can use other reputable countries' food safety info. Australia/New Zealand does have guidance for micro limits on different items.
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